Commons:Deletion requests/Files found with "Disney Channel Canada"

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Files found with Special:Search/"Disney Channel Canada"[edit]

Yes, some videos uploaded by Disney Channel Canada appear with a CC-BY license on YouTube. But it is highly unlikely that this license is for real. Normally, I wouldn't question free licenses apparently issued by the copyright owner, but this seems too much like the infamous Ubisoft case. To refresh memories: Based on a correspondence with a guy from Ubisoft Germany's PR, people assumed that Ubisoft released screenshots of its games under a free license, until Ubisoft headquarters, asked by Wikimedia France, told that they had never heard of such an agreement and don't wish to release media under a free license. So, it was actually a representative of Ubisoft people relied upon for their assumption (not from the legal department, not authorised to give such a broad license), but common sense should have made clear from the beginning that this is an impossible thing. Ubisoft, notoriously keen on protecting their rights, suddenly releasing their intellectual property under a free license? Anyone could now freely use Ubisoft game characters commercially, print them on T-shirts or mugs and sell them? For that's what the free license would have meant. That was so extremely implausible that the ultimate outcome should have been clear to everyone from the beginning.

And now Disney. Disney! Probably no other big media company is so associated with their insistence on their copyright, and their attempts to extend it as far as possible. They're one of the leading parties behind the Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998, after all. If they would now start to release some of their content under a free license, this would be a massive sensation, an earth-shaking revolution in the world of copyright. Disney embraces CC-BY! This would mean: As, for example, the trailer to Big Hero 6: The Series is uploaded under CC-BY to YouTube (and now here on Commons), you could now use any of the characters in this trailer for your derivative works, also commercially, only attribution is needed. Print them on T-Shirts, make your own animated series with them, whatever you want.

Well. This is so massively unlikely that COM:PCP dictates that we should delete that content. It is far more plausible that some employee of Disney Channel Canada chose the wrong license when uploading to YouTube, not aware of what exactly a CC-BY license means, than that the legal department of Disney has suddenly decided: "We think we no longer want money from people using our content, anyone should be able to use it commercially for free". Of course, there will be arguments along the lines of "but such a big company surely knows what they are doing! If Disney decides to release content under CC-BY, we shouldn't question it but be glad!" To this I answer that such uploads are not done by a monolithic "big company" entity that exactly knows what happens everywhere in its structure, but by some (PR) employee of a branch of this company, and would reject that argument. The Ubisoft case should be a lesson.

Gestumblindi (talk) 20:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Keep It is an official Disney Youtube Channel and a valid licensing. The bare assumption (based on a previous case many years ago where a completely different company made an error) that the licensing could be a mistake is not a sufficient reason to delete these files. Thus there is no other reason than this assumption these files are to be kept.
In the previous discussion on German WP I already suggested that someone should write an e-mail to Disney so that we could verify wheter this was a mistake or intented. If Disney then tells us that this was a mistake we still can delete these files. Chaddy (talk) 21:01, 14 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I knew that you would write this here, too. "It's an official channel! It's valid!" I really think we can spare us the repeated "Ubisoft" exercise, trying to get through to someone from Disney's legal department to tell us that Disney, of course, is not releasing content under a free license, and for once just apply common sense and COM:PCP. Gestumblindi (talk) 21:59, 14 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As a side note — before someone thinks it needs pointing out —, I notice now that I actually decided to keep File:Madison Hu.jpg in a previous deletion request last year, per the CC-BY license at YouTube and nominator's withdrawal of the request, but I must not have noticed the Disney provenance back then. Gestumblindi (talk) 22:38, 14 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The Ubisoft case does not matter here. It IS a valid license and we have to believe bona fide what stands there as it is NOT an obvious mistake - there is NOT a significant doubt about the licensing. There is no valid reason for deletion. I do not agree switching our standards to deleting files with valid licencing from official sources just because we think the licencing seems unrealistic or just because we do not believe the copyright holder really wanted what he explicitly did.
If we apply this standard we would have to delete EVERY file where we speculate that the license seems unrealistic, therefore in fact almost everywhere where we don't have an explicit OTRS documented permission (and also this would not be enough, see the Ubisoft case).
And yes, of course we should invest the time to get through to someone from Disney's legal department to tell us what's the case here! Chaddy (talk) 23:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As I note below, Disney Channel Canada is not an official outlet owned and controlled by The Walt Disney Company. It is owned and controlled by Corus Entertainment who licenses some Disney content and the brand Disney Channel for use in Canada. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:31, 24 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete It is implausible to the point of being risible that Disney would release any of its intellectual property for unrestricted free-use. This is an obvious mistake supported by the fact that no other country's Disney outlets releases Disney content free-use. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It is not to us to decide if this licensing is a mistake or intended. We have to believe bona fide what Disney did there. As long as this license is stated there it is legally valid - until Disney declares it was a mistake (if so). Thus we also do not get into difficulties because we acted in good faith as we literally can not know if Disney just made a mistake there. There is NO reason to delete these files. Chaddy (talk) 23:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Disney has nothing to do with what happens in the Corus Entertainment outlet labeled Disney Channel Canada, they just let Corus use their content under license, Corus will not have the authority to re-license it for free-use, only Disney proper can do that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:04, 24 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Comment Can someone contact them please? That would remove the doubts! --Mhhossein talk 07:41, 17 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Gestumblindi douts the license information on the Youtube Channel so I think it would be up to him. Though I wrote an e-mail to Disney Channel Canada now. Let's see what they answer. Chaddy (talk) 14:49, 17 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Did you explicitly point out in your e-mail that this is about a license that allows full commercial re-use and derivative works? Because, if read at all, it will probably be answered first by some PR person, maybe the exact same PR person who mistakenly chose that license for their uploads, and then we have the same case as for Ubisoft (sorry for always using that comparison, but I think it's fitting) with misleading statements by someone who is not actually in charge of legal affairs. So, if I would ask (which I don't think necessary, as the mistake is that obvious), then very clearly along the lines of "Did you really intend to release your content under a license that allows commercial re-use of the content, and for example making your own animated series with these characters? Is that the new Disney approach?", so that even a PR person without knowledge of legal details might understand that there's something wrong. Gestumblindi (talk) 18:05, 17 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Comment Note that Disney Channel Canada is not a part of Disney, it is owned by Corus Entertainment who licenses some Disney content and the Disney name for use in Canada. See W:Disney Channel (Canadian TV channel). Corus will not have the authority to release Disney content to free-use, only The Walt Disney Company can legally do that, and there is no way in hell that would ever happen. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:57, 24 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deleted: Geraldo Perez has provided good points along with the nominator on why the images should be removed from this project. As Disney Channel Canada is just a distributor of the material in question, they can't override non-free licensing that's owned by the Walt Disney Company, home of the United States. 1989 20:27, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Files found with Special:Search/"Disney Channel Canada"[edit]

Per rationale above.

King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:59, 1 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. --Krd 09:20, 8 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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